Monument For Traitors

These days there is lots of ink being spread on paper about those monuments to the Confederate soldiers and leaders….some want to preserve their legacy….really?

The legacy that they were traitors to the United States….or the legacy that they fought to preserve the institution of slavery?

Which is it?

Yes these statues are a piece of American history….when these people left the United States Of America they became traitors to the oath they took to defend the union against all enemies.

And yet we have statues celebrating these people…..if we are gonna have statues for traitors where is Benedict Arnold’s or Aaron Burr’s statue?

Or for that matter……where is the statue of my grandfather?

I bring GW up because in the 1930s he went the Spain to fight the fascists and upon his return he was arrested and charged with treason for it was unlawful for American citizens to fight in a foreign countries wars….full disclosure the changes were dropped in 1940.

Remove all celebrations of treason.

Symbols are important to a culture. There is no reason for a culture to celebrate its enemies. America has reached an important moment – we are taking treason and individuals who advocate treason seriously. The leaders of the Confederacy went to war with the United States of America and they lost. Good destroyed evil and the advocates of evil don’t deserve statues on public lands.

Read More: Traitors Deserve No Monuments or Celebrations in U.S.A. [OPINION]

I disagree with Trump and his slobbering supporters……removing monuments to traitors is not the same as destroying our heritage…..
Conservative opponents of the drive to dismantle the many monuments neo-Confederates erected to honor Confederate leaders often resort to “floodgates” or “slippery-slope” arguments that taking this step will lead to some sort of national iconoclastic frenzy wherein history is defaced and national heroes are defiled. Such arguments received a large boost when a historic Virginia church decided simultaneously to relocate from its sanctuary plaques honoring Robert E. Lee and George Washington — who both at one time worshipped there.
Lincoln basically founded the Republican Party…..and now the GOP is defending the very traitors that Lincoln had to face……why is this?  Plus it is pointed out that many of our earlier presidents owned slaves……yes they did but not one of them fought in a war against the USA…..

The Senate majority chief, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, was extra outspoken in his opposition. On Tuesday, he derided brewing efforts to “airbrush the Capitol and scrub out everybody from years ago who had any connection to slavery” as “nonsense” and “a bridge too far.” He even felt moved to listing for reporters a few of the early presidents who owned slaves. “Washington did. Jefferson did. Madison did. Monroe did.”

None of these presidents, it ought to be famous, went to warfare towards the United States to defend slavery. Nor are all the 11 statues of peripheral figures who had simply “any connection” to the warfare for chattel slavery. The statues embody one among Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederate States of America; Alexander Hamilton Stephens, the vp; and its most well-known basic, Robert E. Lee. There are different statues of males much less central to the insurgent trigger. But on condition that states can choose any person of note from their state, certainly there are numerous different males or girls who don’t have the Confederacy on their résumés.

Opinion | Why Is the G.O.P. Fighting to Preserve Monuments to Traitors in the Capitol?

Nothing about Confederates made them “patriots”….they were traitors plain and simple.

There are over one thousand seven hundred monuments to the Confederacy in America today, from the four corners of the continental United States to most of the states in between, and including several of the former Union states. The Confederate flag is commonly found almost exclusively in many white homes and businesses, as stickers on cars and trucks, and even as part of the Mississippi state flag.

This is notable because America is the only nation today where those who fought a civil war against that nation are memorialized and even glorified with government approval and at the taxpayers’ expense. Those who support keeping Confederate monuments on public lands commonly make the argument that Confederates were Americans. Below is one such example of the argument:

View at Medium.com

There is nothing left to say……traitors do not deserve monuments or admiration or some “patriotic” nonsense…

It is simple….they were traitors….PERIOD!

“lego ergo scribo”

Americans And War

American students are seldom taught about the war as they are being fought…..only ones that can teach a historic perspective…..we need to teach about conflict as our citizens are fighting and dying…..

“I don’t know…I mean I want to be one of those people…you know who do things, who create change I guess…this was inspiring…it made me want to create change…but I guess I don’t know how.” Three students and I were sitting in a small room gathered near a round table in the corner of the social studies office. The students had just completed a three-week instructional unit focused on two essential questions: What is a just war? How do we end war? Their teacher and I had co-created the unit both interested in whether focusing on critique of and resistance to war would bulster students’ sense of agency, help them develop a more critical perspective of war and help students understand that war can be stopped by active and engaged citizens. By the end of the unit, the students weren’t so sure.

“I’m always surprised by how schools in America teach. I mean there’s wars all around us and the teachers here act like they don’t exist and then don’t directly teach the wars they do teach.” The other students in the discussion agreed. “Yeah, it’s like they teach that war is bad…but we already know that…we never teach in depth. I mean I know 1939 and Eisenhower and all that…I got an A but I feel like I know it skin deep. We never really talk about anything.” Another student agreed providing an example of when they did go in depth. “When we studied the Atomic Bombs being dropped on Japan we had a two-day seminar examining documents but it wasn’t really anything different from what was in our textbooks. I mean we all know that atomic bombs are bad, but didn’t anyone speak out against them besides like Einstein? I didn’t know there was like an anti-war movement for like always until this unit.”

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/20/teaching-war-so-it-matters

After almost two decades and only a few bloggers/journalists are questioning the wars we fight……[after Hollywood gets finished with the subject we then have become war addicts…..

My first question is simple enough: After 18-plus years of our forever wars, where are all the questions?

Almost two decades of failing American wars across a startlingly large part of the planet and I’d like to know, for instance, who’s been fired for them? Who’s been impeached? Who’s even paying attention?

I mean, if another great power had been so fruitlessly fighting a largely undeclared set of conflicts under the label of “the war on terror” for so long, if it had wasted trillions of taxpayer dollars with no end in sight and next to no one in that land was spending much time debating or discussing the matter, what would you think? If nothing else, you’d have a few questions about that, right?

War Addicts, Inc.

In other words this nation has become conditioned to the reality of war………..

As tensions escalated with Iran last week, it seemed bewildering to many that the United States could once again be on the brink of war. We like to think of ourselves as a peaceful people and our country as a benevolent force in the world—so why is military conflict a constant presence in American life?

Despite our self-image, we have been conditioned for war all of our lives. Through a combination of cultural forces, some overt and others subtle, Americans are taught from a young age to accept their country’s militarism without question. This conditioning has numerous ingredients. Themes of nationalism and militarism are frequently injected into public life through the media and other institutions, for example, as is a sense of righteousness, a rarely challenged belief that the country is almost always a force for good.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-humanity-naturally/202001/youve-been-conditioned-war

It is time to find candidates that do not want war or the ones we are fighting to continue…..but sadly the media will make sure that the foreign policy especially our war footing ever sees the light of day.

Look at all the Dem debates….very little foreign policy or conflict management has made the stage…..it is as if all are afraid to voice an opinion on war without being labelled a traitor or naive or any other insult they can think of…..

Be Smart!

Learn Stuff!

VOTE!

I Read, I Write, You Know

“lego ergo scribo”

Remembering The Nuremburg Trials

The Second World War has ended and the Allies are putting the remaining Nazis to trial….those that did not take the easy way out by committing suicide.

The trials were show trials for the world…the spin it was to help the world heal from the war but in reality it was nothing short of retaliation and revenge.

So now I ask…was justice served?

Do not get me wrong I am not saying that these people are guiltless….but rather that the trials were not carried out in an democratic and unbiased way.

Yes these accused were bastards and barbaric bunch….but I think the trials should have been handled in another way to prove that democracy and the rule of law prevailed.

For instance the judges were from Allied countries….UK, USA, USSR and France….4 judges and 4 alternates……the victors if you will.  A case could be made the the judges were biased.

This was just a low key Versailles Treaty….it is designed to inflict revenge on a defeated people…just as the WW1 treaty did to the German people.

“If in the end there is a generally accepted view that Nuremberg was an example of high politics masquerading as law, then the trial instead of promoting may retard the coming of the day of world law.”

Was the trials as fair as they were billed to be?

The Nuremberg War Trial has a strong claim to be considered the most significant as well as the most debatable event since the conclusion of hostilities. To those who support the trial it promises the first effective recognition of a world law for the punishment of malefactors who start wars or conduct them in bestial fashion. To the adverse critics the trial appears in many aspects a negation of principles which they regard as the heart of any system of justice under law.

This sharp division of opinion has not been fully aired largely because it relates to an issue of foreign policy upon which this nation has already acted and on which debate may seem useless or, worse, merely to impair this country’s prestige and power abroad. Moreover, to the casual newspaper reader the long-range implications of the trial are not obvious. He sees most clearly that there are in the dock a score of widely known men who plainly deserve punishment. And he is pleased to note that four victorious nations, who have not been unanimous on all post-war questions, have, by a miracle of administrative skill, united in a proceeding that is overcoming the obstacles of varied languages, professional habits, and legal traditions. But the more profound observer is aware that the foundations of the Nuremberg trial may mark a watershed of modern law.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1946/04/nuremberg-a-fair-trial-a-dangerous-precedent/306492/

Further Information:

https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/Nuremberg_trials.html

Before some person decides to attack let me say….I do believe there should have been trials but that the judges should have been from Neutral countries during the war like Switzerland or Sweden…..

Any thoughts?

“Lego Ergo Scribo”

Must It Be Endless?

I have made it a lifetime endeavor to study conflict (war) and analyzing cause and effect…..and since 9/11 it seems that the US is in a cycle of endless wars……most of which had little to do with the actual attacks on 9/11…….and those that defend the endless nature of conflict…..

A continuous and repetitive thread in the commentary on the decade since 9/11—one might almost call it an endless and open-ended theme—was the plaintive observation that the struggle against al-Qaida and its surrogates is somehow a “war without end.” (This is variously rendered as “perpetual war” or “endless war,” just as anti-war articles about the commitment to Iraq used to relentlessly stress the idea that there was “no end in sight.”)

I find it rather hard to see the force of this objection, or indeed this description. Was there ever a time when we involved ourselves in combat, or found ourselves involved, with any certain advance knowledge about the timeline and duration of hostilities? Are there two kinds of war, one of them term-limited? A bit like that other tempting but misleading separation of categories—between “wars of choice” and “wars of necessity”—this proves upon closer scrutiny to be a distinction without much difference.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2011/09/in_defense_of_endless_war.html

Personally observation…..endless wars benefit NO one but those that supply the implements of war….it is about the profits not the reason for the war.

We can make peace profitable if we truly wanted to….there is the rub….there is NO WILL!

Solutions–Conclusion

This is the post where I bring all this history together……the 4 parts of this post can be read here if the reader needs to get caught up…….

https://gulfsouthfreepress.wordpress.com/2018/07/16/solutions-for-an-old-problem/

https://gulfsouthfreepress.wordpress.com/2018/07/20/solutions-part-2/

https://gulfsouthfreepress.wordpress.com/2018/07/25/solutions-part-3/

https://gulfsouthfreepress.wordpress.com/2018/07/30/solutions-part-4/

In today’s world war is an ever day occurrence ….and as usual these conflicts create  massive refugee problems and since the world, most of the world, tries desperately to ignore the problem that it helped create……..the people congregate in camps with little resources and even less aid the people turn to what has been called the “world’s oldest profession”….prostitution.

Now as the conflicts rage across the Middle East many refugees have made it to safety in Europe in countries like Germany and once there they find that all is not as they hoped for in the beginning and they have to try and make ends meet…..

Migrant women are being forced to become €10-a-time prostitutes in German refugee camps, it has been reported.

The country – which is braced for around one million asylum seekers this year – has seen a spike in violence at registration centres in recent weeks as conditions deteriorate and tempers boil over.

Sex attacks are now said to be an ‘everyday event’ while in one state alone there are understood to have been 100 cases of violence in just the last three months.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3276067/Migrant-women-forced-10-time-prostitutes-German-asylum-camps-sexual-assaults-everyday-event-violent-clashes-frequently-break-out.html

Keep in mind the term “forced”…….

The conflict in Burma (Myanmar) between the state and the Muslim population have caused a humanitarian crisis….the Rohingya Muslim female population have been driven into prostitution to buy survival supplies like food…….

As Rohingya women struggle to access even the very basics such as food and water in Bangladesh’s overcrowded camps, a flourishing sex trade offers cash in times of desperation.

Four women entered the clean-swept mud hut, took off their black shawls and sat cross-legged on the floor. When asked if they sold sex, the women stirred uncomfortably and were silent.

Later, after cups of tea, the question came up again. The women caught each other’s eyes. Slowly one of them walked across the room to shut the door, another blocked the window. Darkness fell in the small, humid hut and voices turned to whispers.

“If anyone finds out what we do, they will kill us,” murmured 26-year-old Romida.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rohingya-muslim-crisis-latest-prostitution-refugee-camps-sex-trade-black-market-bangladesh-burma-a8017256.html

Then we turn to the civil war raging in Syria that has created about a million plus refugees many on the borders of the country like in Jordan……..

Walk among the plastic tents in one corner of this sprawling, dust-swept desert camp packed with Syrian refugees, and a young woman in a white headscarf signals.

“Come in, you’ll have a good time,” suggests Nada, 19, who escaped from the southern border town of Daraa into Jordan several months ago. Her father, sporting a salt-and-pepper beard and a ……..traditional red-checkered headscarf, sits outside under the scorching sun, watching silently.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-jordan-desperate-syrian-refugees-turn-to-prostitutio

My point in all that I have written is that no matter where these charities go or where the peacekeeper go there are those that are driven to prostitution to make ends meet….then why not use these women to satisfy any carnal desires these men may have……once again this is what I posted about a report of sexual abuse by MSF

Doctors Without Borders

My look into the military and prostitution was a bit of an eye opener…..again I am not advocating the use of force in ny way shape or form…..but it there is a solution to the amount of reported attacks on women by soldiers and/or peacekeepers……this is NOT a perfect world and there is NO perfect solution to the problems I have described.

As always I try to give a solution to problems instead of just bitching about them……those “solutions” are not always popular.

Side Note:  There has been a debate raging for decades on whether to legalize prostitution or not…..for those interested I have posted a link to that debate…..an interesting debate and a debate that needs to be had at the highest levels…….there are many aspects to the subject and most have been debated on referenced site…….read what has been said and let me know you thoughts……..

https://prostitution.procon.org/

Thanx for bearing with me on this trip through history…….chuq

Solutions–Part 4

This is a continuation of my series on prostitution…….the first 3 parts here….

https://gulfsouthfreepress.wordpress.com/2018/07/16/solutions-for-an-old-problem/

https://gulfsouthfreepress.wordpress.com/2018/07/20/solutions-part-2/

https://gulfsouthfreepress.wordpress.com/2018/07/25/solutions-part-3/

Now we look at the Vietnam War and prostitution…….Everyone in Vietnam was permitted ONE R&R during their one-year (13 months for the Marines) tour of duty. You had to complete 30 days in-country to be eligible.  Since I was there for 2 and half years I got 3 chances for R&R…actually I got 4 but one was because no one was left to take the allotted trip.

There were certain cities that were on the approved list of cities for R&R….

  • Hawaii
  • Sydney, Australia
  • Bangkok, Thailand
  • Hong Kong
  • Kuala Lampur (later changed to Penang), Malaysia
  • Manila, Philippines
  • Singapore
  • Taipei, Taiwan
  • Tokyo, Japan

The first two were seven days (extra travel time), the others were five days.  When I was there in country Hawaii was for married troops only so they could be reunited with their spouse for a week of happiness.

Now when one got to the city of choice they were sent to an approved hotel to begin their days of relaxation.

My destinations of choice were Singapore, Manila, Bangkok, Kuala Lampur……At each of these hotels there were women lounging around ready to service those horny GIs….now were they on the payroll of the US…I cannot say for sure but they were there and available thanks to the management of the hotel.

Back in country there were the usual “chippies” that hung around the bases looking for a good time……they were not encouraged but they also were not discouraged from servicing American GIs……price was negotiable…..and mats available.

Then there were the “Donut Dollies”…Red Cross volunteers (female) that would visit units and meet and greet the men that were not immediately in combat.  They would offer games and things as a distraction.

At my base camp in My Tho the “Dollies” had their own compound (for their protection) with 24 hour guards and an open door policy for captain and above……sometimes even the high ranking NCOs could enter the “gardens of paradise” as we grunts started calling their compound.

Now was the compound sanctioned by the government….again it was not official but word got out that our lovely “Dollies” were tricking behind closed compound doors.

Again the military basically turned a blind eye to prostitution…but retain plausible deniability.  These girsl were not coerced into their chosen profession.

Now part 5 will look at the costs of conflict and what lengths some must go to just to survive…..

Coming Home

Today in 1970 is the day I returned home after my second tour in Vietnam and I would like to offer my thoughts of the war and that day.

October 10, 1970…..I found myself in Oakland Army Terminal returning from Vietnam and also being mustered out of the Army….my 4 year hitch was only 3 and half years because I extended my stay in Vietnam an extra 6 months to get the “Early Out”.

When my DEROS arrived…..In less than 48 hours I went from a mud soaked base camp to stateside….no time to decompress before facing life as a civilian.

The popular statement about coming home was that our vets were met with people spitting on them and calling them Baby Killers…..I am sure that you have heard these tales.  Well when I came home I was NOT met with any of the “popular” excuses.  I was met with nothing.

People were afraid to talk to me for they had heard that we all went batcrap crazy and do some harm.  The news had reported on a couple of vets that were having a hard time adjusting…….these were great news makers but were not the “norm”.

I am NOT saying that the spitting or the baby killer things did not happen just they did nor happen to me.

For me it was sad that the people that I once knew and talked with no longer had anything to say that interest me……their concerns we petty and lame….so I did what most vets did I isolated myself from those I once knew…..and spent my days trying hard to deal with the monsters in my head.

And friends from the earlier days were NO help for they had rather worry about their cars than a friend that needed some help…..for none understood the vet that isolated himself for fear of what he might do if confronted with a dangerous situation.

Vietnam vets went in search of other Vietnam vets for any other had NO idea what it was like to live with the insanity that they had known just days before…….the Class of ’47 (WW2 veterans) had weeks of travel before landing on American soil the Viet vet maybe had hours before they were home with their loved ones…..NO time for the much needed mental decompression.

Coming home for me was no small deal……I jumped with every loud noise and I trusted no one around me….slowly but slowly the monsters in my head were defeated but some remnants remained to remind me of what I had endured for 3 and half years……for you see that you truly never completely come home.

I was fortunate that my mental toughness won out…I could have easily gone the other direction.

An interesting piece written by a Brit soldier on coping with war…….

When I attended the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst in 2002-3, the leadership training was excellent. It included discussion of the British Army’s values and the laws of armed conflict. However, I received no ethics training for the occasions when neither values nor laws would fully prepare me to make complex moral decisions in faraway fields populated by people with very different cultural norms.

The then prime minister Tony Blair spoke at our pass-out parade just weeks after the invasion of Iraq. Dignitaries usually stop at every third or fourth person on parade to have a few words. Blair stopped at what seemed like every single officer cadet to speak, no doubt driven by good motivation, but inadvertently causing great pain for all on parade who had to stand there much longer than normal. He asked me what I would be doing in the Army. I told him I would be in intelligence. He said: ‘You will be busy.’ And he was right.

https://aeon.co/essays/how-philosophy-helped-one-soldier-on-the-battlefield

Memorial Day……Days Gone By

I did not want to pee on anybody’s day yesterday….so I decided to post this the day after.

Today Memorial Day is just a holiday for food, fun and drink….but it has not always been so…..we use to remember our fallen young in our numerous wars…..today is it not that important….

I read an article that talks about this……

My mental picture of Memorial Day in 1945 is a spare but deeply etched scene of joy and tears. We lived in a New England town of 500 that rustled up enough veterans to march up the main street to the odd strains of a handful of sincere but unrehearsed musicians. Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Sunday school regulars and the town selectman fell in line, followed by the volunteer fireman’s truck and, finally, we the townspeople trooped along behind on our way to the cemetery.

There the honor guard from the three services fired their salutes to those who had died in wars, prayers were invoked for the living and the dead, and wreaths and flowers were laid on graves, some of them freshly dug. A heavy silence prevailed over words and ceremonies. Tears of loss mingled with sighs of relief that soon all the killing would stop.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/ncr-today/memorial-day-was-once-time-feel-actual-price-war

People that know me know what I think of Memorial Day but am I alone?  What do vets really think about Memorial Day?

As a wounded veteran who served two tours in Iraq, I’ve been asked to give speeches at Memorial Day celebrations. It’s one of the hardest jobs I’ve ever done.

Veterans Day is easy. Fourth of July, a piece of cake.
But Memorial Day, that’s a tough one.
Service members like me think about the soldiers we lost pretty often. I remember when he was alive, all the stuff we did — the training, combat and even just hanging out together off duty. Then my mind usually goes to the day of his death. I remember where I was when I heard about it, or what it felt like to see him catastrophically wounded. I picture their faces. They’re young; they never get old.

We need to do better than we are these days……few people remember the young that are fighting and dying almost daily.

Remember the fallen….always.

Remember but not in the style of our president…….these are Trump Tweets on Memorial Day

I would like to wish everyone, including all haters and losers (of which, sadly, there are many) a truly happy and enjoyable Memorial Day!

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Happy Memorial Day! Those who died for our great country would be very happy and proud at how well our country is doing today. Best economy in decades, lowest unemployment numbers for Blacks and Hispanics EVER (& women in 18years), rebuilding our Military and so much more. Nice!

This is pathetic and despicable…..Giving himself a pat on the back on a day when we try to remember our fallen troops…..I have no use for this!

War: The Untold Story

The US has been at war for most of the 20th century and into the 21st century…..these we are fighting out longest war ever……Afghanistan has been raging for damn near 17 years.

I have been writing about my opposition to these wars for a decade now……

The MSM reports our successes and some of our failures and in most of that time the one issue that seems to be ignored is that of the death of civilians.

Others as well as myself see the useless death of civilians as a major problem that is growing exponentially….in the last week the stories are such…..

For the second day in a row, US and NATO forces have deliberately attacked civilian houses known to contain civilian bystanders in an attempt to target Taliban fighters. Yesterday’s strike took place in Herat, where warplanes hit a Taliban compound, then targeting a whole neighborhood because the Taliban fighters scattered and they figured they were in some of those homes. 16 civilians were among the slain.

Today’s attack was further east, in Logar, where a US helicopter had decided Taliban fighters had taken shelter inside a civilian house, and fired missiles into it. 11 civilians were slain in the attack, which NATO promised to look into. There was no report of Taliban casualties, despite the pretext for the attack.

(antiwar.com)

The military got its body count unfortunately none of the dead were Taleban.

Then the news from Somalia……

A joint US-Somali raid on the farming village of Barire a week ago left 10 civilians dead, all of them executed one at a time by the troops. Today, after a week of disputes, the Somali national government finally admitted to the incident, and promised compensatory payments to the survivors.

Locals brought the slain to the capital of Mogadishu for display, and protested the killings, with provincial officials supporting their demands. Ultimately, the national government agreed to admit to the incident, pay “blood money” both for slain civilians and cattle, and to help resolve the tribal dispute in a way that wouldn’t lead to further massacres.

(antiwar.com)

“Blood Money” will be covered by the US no doubt…..”Hush Money” is a better term….

Then there is Syria…Raqqa to be exact……

UN officials are warning that the city’s population is paying an “unacceptable price” from the US airstrikes, and that continued US bombardment may be in violation of international law as a result. The US has been trying to back an invasion of Raqqa against ISIS.

An estimated 20,000 civilians remain in Raqqa, and the US has labeled them “human shields.” The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights warned that in just the month of August they’d documented 151 civilian deaths from the US-led invasion and US airstrikes.

(antiwar.com)

These are just the results from last week and this thing has been on-going for more than a decade…bombs do not distinguish good from bad.

This is a humanitarian crisis that the West will not acknowledge their part in creating.

The whole world should be angered at the deaths of women and children for no other reason that they were in the neighborhood.

That Big Bang

I could go into a review of some TV show…..but not this time.  (But it is a cute and entertaining program)

I am a member of a discussion group, the Psi Phi Society, not to be confused with SciFi, we discuss everything from Anthropology to Xenophobia.  It is a group made up of about 6 people a couple of professors. a preacher, a business man, a teacher and a computer geek.

When we first started one of the first discussions we had was about WW2 and the bomb.  The question for the group was…..was the use of the A-bomb on Japan really necessary?

I came down on the side of “not necessary”…..in my opinion Japan had already lost the war and their leadership knew it.  Starvation was rampant, they were eating dogs and cats, morale was at an all time low and fear of an aerial attack was a daily worry.  I firmly believe that if we had not used the bomb it would have been less than a year before Japan had surrendered.

We never came to a definitive answer to the question.  Good arguments were made on both sides but I still stand by my assertion that they were unnecessary.

Then I read an interesting article that tackles the same question that the Society tackled a couple of years ago.

Last Sunday marked the 72nd anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Japan, followed three days later by the bombing of Nagasaki.

Residents of former Allied countries all generally agree on what happened next: An awed Japan surrendered and the world was spared the devastating human cost of a land invasion of the Japanese home islands. A particularly chilling fact is that United States has yet to use up the vast supply of Purple Hearts minted in anticipation of a bloody landing.

Arguments against the bombings usually take a moral tack. That whatever the ends, it’s never right to intentionally vaporize women and children. But in recent years an entire new argument has emerged: Bomb or no bomb, the war would have ended anyway.

Source: Did the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki really end the war? | National Post

Now that the case was been made….what say you?

Was the use of the bomb truly necessary to end World War 2?  Or was it a message sent to the rest of the world?